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French Women Don’t Date


French Women Don’t Date

December 4, 2009

My aunt, visiting Paris from Idaho, looked proudly at my teenage sons and popped the question.

"Now," she said, fixing a gimlet eye on her Franco-American nephews. "Where are your girlfriends?" She was obviously astonished to have seen lots of their "friends" but no "girlfriends" among them. My boys in turn were astonished: No one in France had ever brought the matter up—and they weren't about to tell!

Yet for my aunt the question was perfectly normal. Her children, slightly older, had "dated" and "gone steady" and done all those American things my Franco-American duo didn't seem to be doing—or, in any case, talk about doing.

Rest assured, I told her, they live in France, are half-French and as far as social relations are concerned, they've glommed on to their Gallic side. Actually, I'd never really considered the whole matter of girlfriends because French kids run around in groups, and if they pair off it is generally invisible to the human (translate parental) eye.

About the same time, I got a phone call from an American friend in Paris. "My family and friends in the States keep asking me who I'm ‘dating' or if I'm going to be out on a ‘date' on Saturday night," she lamented. "I'm having a really hard time explaining that in France people go out in groups and then just kind of end up with each other." We sighed. It is indeed complicated to explain the ambiguous, complicated and often opaque process by which French men and women pair off.

"It just kind of happens"
In the words of 36-year-old Laurence Bagot, a French journalist who spent a year at Harvard and admits she is as mystified by American dating habits as the Americans are by the French ones: "In France, getting together just kind of happens."

In a nutshell, everyone kind of seems to think that getting together in France just kind of happens! Which is true. And the funny thing is that even when people are together, you rarely know what their relationship is. Laurence says that at a Parisian dinner party she was seated next to a distinguished older man and woman. "I talked to them for three hours and didn't figure out until after I left that they must have been married for the past 40 years!" This "discretion"—or "secrecy," depending on how you see it—is not solely the domain of older people. French university students Gaëtan Akyüz and Lorraine Bonduelle are now "just good friends," but when they were a twosome, they said, "we didn't tell anybody." They recall that, on a trip to Turkey with a group of friends, no one knew they were together.

On purpose. For Lorraine, the choice to not reveal they were a couple came from a mixture of pudeur (propriety) and amour propre. The secrecy wasn't restricted to their pals. "I never would have told my parents who I was going out with, because [the relationship] might not have worked," says Lorraine. So how do you know if someone is with someone? "It's not easy!" they chime, almost in unison. Lorraine offers that "There might be mini details, signs, such as you might talk more to one person than another, or be seated next to him. But it shouldn't be obvious."

All this is very subtle—and very, very French.

An artistic haze
For the non-French who don't get the rules of the game, they seem to be the following:

l. Men pursue women actively: Vanessa McClure, a striking American redhead studying in France, observes: "A French guy gets your number and calls right away; it's not the three-day rule practiced by guys in the States who play hard to get and want to make the girls anxious."

2. If you act the way French women do, you won't get hassled: According to Nidal Kersh, a Swedish student in Paris, "French girls never get harrassed the way foreign women do, because they know the rules. They don't even pretend to be nice; they just cut you off if they don't like you. Parisian girls don't look anyone in the eye unless they want to initiate contact." Which leads us to the rule's corollary:

3. If you act American, you WILL get hassled, says 34-year-old Allison Lightwine, an American who was a single woman in Paris: "If an American woman acts like she does in the US, it's seen as extremely aggressive sexual behavior."

One naïve young American student who wished to remain anonymous said that her friendly, open conduct led to a situation in which she had to literally push an overeager French fellow out of her apartment. "He was really surprised and angry," she says. "He told me he thought American girls were faster, like the ones he'd seen on MTV!" (She learned her lesson, adopted Parisian habits, and is now with a charming French man who, she says, is nothing like that wannabe paramour from her past.)

4. When you're going out with a fellow, don't formalize it: Remember, this is the country where everyone knows the names of the kings' mistresses, but not necessarily their wives. That's history, but even today in France, the rush to the altar is superseded by the importance of what's going on between two people, a state several French men and women independently and poetically described as un flou artistique (an artistic haze).

There's little proclivity for fuzziness or ambiguity in the States, where, "after dating for a while," says Rachel Gogel, a 19-year-old graphic design student at the University of Pennsylvania who grew up in France, "you sit down and have a conversation to say ‘What are we? Are we official?' It's kind of an American thing, like: Are we on the same page?"

This desire for clarification may be the reason Allison Lightwine's French boyfriend went running. After going out with him for a few weeks, she sat him down for "the conversation"—and never heard from again. (She ended up marrying a Belgian.)

Yes, the French have their French ways, and while "speed dating" and even "turbo dating" have come to France, the French can't forget centuries of courtship customs, among them the light, elegant flirting banter called marivaudage, after the 18th-century French playwright Marivaux. Banter, lightness, mystery. Do the French ever get serious?

Yes, so watch out for this rule:

5. If and when a French man brings a girl home to meet Maman and Papa, things are very sérieux indeed. My aunt, bless her soul, would be pleased to know that one nephew is now happily married—to the only girl he ever DID introduce us to. His younger brother, in true French style, is happily into his fifth year of living with the lovely young lady who also was the first and only one he brought home to meet les parents.

Who knows whether our youngest and his significant other will ever tie the knot? A recent study showed that some 48 percent of French men and women live together and have children with nary a thought of making it official at city hall. But that, as they say, is another—very French—histoire.


Originally published in the September 2007 issue of France Today.


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October 08 2015

I just visited Paris for the second time from America (San Francisco). This time I was single and noticed many of the women making eye contact with me. Literally, 10 women each time I would go out would make eye contact more than once.

I wasn't sure if this was an invitation to talk or not, I figured maybe the French just like to look. I approached one young woman standing outside of a theatre after we looked 4 times. My French must have been awful because she said no to a drink!

June 16 2015

There is no "flou artistique" in French dating. It's not because we don't sit down to "DTR" as I've heard - determine the relationship - that we don't know the current state of the relationship.
American people assume that until you have a serious talk about being exclusive, it's just casual. In France it's the contrary. If you've been on dates with someone and kissed/had sex with them, you consider it an exclusive relationship unless you actually have a talk saying it's only casual.

September 14 2014

i think we are similar in when we get serious. i never bring women home. others do it often. i like the notion portrayed by this. i found out i have alot of french relatives and i am to almost a perfect fit in french dating style. even before this article i feel as though i dont fit in to what Americans consider normal dating habits. so i became picky and less serious as i am not attracted to barely any American women.

michael perry
May 07 2014

As a french woman, I must say there are some things that are not quiet true in this article. For instance : "you don't know when two people are dating" ????? Come on ! That is absolutly not true. People are not all shy and distant in their relationships. Only a few hide, but most people show it proudly. If I walk into a room full of strangers with my boyfriend, trust me you'll have no doubt. We hold hands, we kiss, we call each other "honey", "sweetheart", "my love". So give me a break.

January 09 2014

(French girl living in the US)

Here is my advise to American people living in France

Women : Men will come to you. Women rarely hit on men, if they do, they might be called "nasty girls". However, the girl will send signals to encourage him to flirt with her if he is willing to do so (discreet eye contact).

Men : You can flirt as much as you can/want. French girl won't be pissed off, unless it is front of others (friends).

We only introduce the person we will marry to our parents.

November 17 2013

French people take pride in thinking in circles. A straight-forward approach is considered stupid and tactless (typical of Americans). This applies to almost every aspect of their life including romance. Over centuries of 'histoires' they have known it very well that expression of doubt and clarification are the greatest dangers of romance. The best way it can be experienced and sustained is by keeping it a mysterious flux through symbolic action.

Jean Lapin
September 15 2012

I'm surprised the article doesn't mention what makes a couple in France. Perhaps there is no dating system, but there are rules. And rule number one is: a couple starts with a kiss. The first kiss is the beginning and there's always a lot of pressure when you hang out with someone you like: will he kiss me? should I kiss him? After that first kiss, you can call the other your boyfriend/girlfriend. Or discuss it if it was a mistake. Usually also boy/girl-friends take each other by the hand.

August 06 2012

Hello, I'm French from a family where french culture and tradition is important. My feeling is that my friends and me have a dating approach closer to the "american dating" way of thinking. Now, consider that the most of the people living in France have no cultural identity, a low emotional intelligence, a low social intelligence and no lifestyle. The historical archetype of the Frenchman exists as a minority. The result : a stable ratio of 45% divorce (data from ined.fr).

November 27 2011

I like this article. And I found much of it to be very true from my experience. I have studied and France (Nantes) and I have worked with French women in the USA. The French ladies tend not to make eye contact or give a greeting with any one who they do not know on a personal level, even if you have been their co-worker for years. Definitely comes off as rude in English/American culture.

July 02 2011

There's no eye contact in the US compared with france IMO. But there is more distance if you get to talk.

June 29 2011

I find that the rules of eye-contact vary even from region to region in the United States. I'm from a small town, and it is considered very rude to walk around keeping to yourself. You are expected to acknowledge the other people with whom you share space. However, I moved to Chicago this year, and I've gotten a few weird looks when I've made eye-contact with strangers.
How do you make friends with fellow women in France? I've heard that one way is to act entirely disinterested in French men!

February 20 2011

Interesting observations. My experience is that French women and French people in general acknowledge others' presence and generally make eye contact with people around them. This includes women. Comparing Paris to San Francisco, I have to attest that the City by the Bay is far lower on in the eye-contact area than Paris or so has been my experience.

December 07 2010

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